so the idea that there may be -- that they could use manafort to get somebody else, like potentially somebody a lot closer to trump. there are many people with the last name trump here, right and, you know, that's obviously a huge risk and an unknown for trump and those close to him. >> tim o'brien, you wrote "trump nation," but is d.c. mueller town? when you think about all the noise several months ago about president trump claiming on that saturday morning that trump tower was wiretapped. could that be what he's talking about here? if paul manafort according to this cnn piece was wiretapped, his apartment, which was in trump tower, before or during the election, could this be what trump was all frenzied? >> i think there's a distinction from what donald trump knows and what donald trump's afraid of. i think he's been very afraid of the russian investigation since its launch. i don't think he knows many