away with the private insurance premiums you are now paying. for example. the average worker who makes 50 thousand a year is spending 13,000 on that worker the employer. the worker himself is spending $5,000. $18 those. now if our plan goes into effect that $13,000 private insurance premium disappears for the employer. it goes down. the amount of money the worker is now spending that 5,000 dollars goes down. we replace private insurance premiums with medicare premiums. the average middle class worker saves money. >> how do you convince some 80% of american whose do get healthcare from their employer, that it is worth rejiggering the system again? that seems to be the other challenge. people who get employer based private insurance are basically