pit the staffers against each other and other trump associates against one another to use something they might get from someone staffer or one associate to leverage something more out of another associate. this, my sources tell me, has led to some dissent within trump's legal team about how to handle this. dissent about pace of document production. seeing the tensions play themselves out in a legal defense in a way that's extremely unhelpful for the president and his team. >> joyce, this point that ken made sounds hugely important, for example, the special prosecutor by reading the pain e watching tv, knows steve bannon hates jared kushners is doing everything he can to hurt jared kushner. they are investigating jared kushner. does the special prosecutor's team go, shouldn't -- do they think we should be talking to steve bannon specifically about jared kushner? >> i would suspect that the special counsel's team will talk to everyone about everything and

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