at the milwaukee county jail. back now with the roundtable. this is one of those political characte characters. sheriff arpaio falls into this category as well. he probably wouldn't, if any other republican had won the nomination, this is a guy, sheriff clark, who speaks to and for a part of donald trump's base. you're a republican. i'm curious. what is the message sheriff clark is delivering? and how many people is he speaking for? >> he is playing to the worst and base instincts of the republican party shouldn't be there. if he goes in with his 32 pieces of flair, that's embarrassment. he's been an embarrassment as sheriff. he's disgraced anyone who wears a uniform. and look what he views law enforcement as. he celebrates arpaio and clark as somehow heroes of law enforcement. they are the exact opposite of