here t. word we are getting is there was some talk of an imminent bannon resition i ig nation or department cure. you are talking to him after that apparently happened. he is talking to you about hey, come see me in the white house. how do you interpret that now in light of today's events? >> well, i intrpt it either that he was dill lugsal or proceeding on two track, track one is he is going to have to leave. track two is he is going to stay and pursue his trade agenda and he's looking for allies. now, it was not sound judgment on his part to think that getting bob cutler of the "american prospect" as an allie on trade would somehow increase his credibility at the trump white house. so my picture of bannen in that interview was a guy who was reckless, a guy who was at risk of making really poor judgments, but then after denying for 24 hours that he meant this to be on the record, he then spoke to