and president have conflated those two. today unfortunately because it appeared so responsive to the president's concerns really came across as politicizing leaks and what that does is that really damages the national security justification for being concerned about what our some serious leaks of -- leaks of classified information that have taeb place. >> and charlie, to creditor point, it is possible that the criticism has colored the way the attorney general views his job. >> well, it's very hard to look at mr. sessions right now, especially on an issue where he has been under such tremendous public pressure from president trump, without seeing it through the lens of the president trying to bully him into resigning or setting the groundwork for firing him. many conservatives and former colleagues in the senate rallied around jeff sessions in the last week or so to warn trump not to