history to watch this presidency and the lies just spilling out every day. and that's on the record. everyone can corroborate it back to themselves, but loft in the conversation yesterday was the policy. it got so personal and emotional on both sides. who learned anything about the policy during this conversation? >> by the way, that was the problem, tim. peter baker, i wanted to hear the policy. i never get a chance to hear the policy because we were hearing speeches. >> and tim, do you think that if, perhaps, general kelly was explaining the policy yesterday, perhaps more people would have listened to him because of his maturity and service and sacrifice. because of the respect people have for him? that is something no one has for miller outside the white house. >> miller was put out there so he could pick a fight and he didn't have to pick it. it came to him. two, he does know immigration policy very well.