effort to try to help win the election against his point. he took dead seriously. how would you rt square that with the claim of jared kushner that it was a casual stop bied kind of thing? >> well, it is very hard to square, as you've pointed out. it is not often the turbulence of a campaign at this juncture, that you get the candidates' he son, the son-in-law and the candidate's campaign chairman all in room together over nothing and it gets particularly change when the memo that sets it all up that was circulated amongst all of them describes this as being part of the russian government's plan to interfere in the election. and they all look at that, and say, i'm coming in any way. a lot of people would look at that memo think and it is a set up. it is so incriminating. and they all came in anyway. >> let's watch something bummed