>> but he will still be prosecutable so there was no idea -- >> let's play this out. we are dealing with a very sue-generous situation. the faith in minimum we've seen from republicans seems to be absolute. let's say donald trump tried it. he tried to pardon himself. maybe it was litigated and he won. and he wound up a pardoned president having admitted to crimes. how could he serve? >> he konltd serve. he would be thumbing his nose at every institution of our government. the idea that the president is the chief law enforcement officer of the country. sworn to uphold the laws. to take care, faithfully executed. it would be an outrage of everything we stand for. and i saw what happened during watergate. president nixon was elected with one of the biggest land slides in american history. that was this november 1972.