eugene robinson whose latest column is headlines "donned junior's meeting is a legal game-changer." presidential historian, author of jefferson jackson fdr church il and most recently bush 41. jon meacham. we continue to welcome to the broadcast connie schultz, nationally syndicated columnist who joins us from her hometown of cleveland, ohio. normally they don't let pleat pulitzer winners appear together. because they're geographically separated they allowed it just this once. connie, you get to start off in a state with interesting politics and interesting republican governor, a no show at the gop convention that cleveland hosted, a never trumper who is pushing his own agenda and very involved in health care. how deep, how resilient as you see it is the trump base in ohio? >> well, it depends on in my experience, my recent experience it depends how to talk to trump