pub punishment for meddling in the u.s. elections. what does putin want out of the meeting with the united states? >> i don't think it's about any specific goals. it's more or less about when two dogs meet for the first time in a dog patch, they size each other up and who is going to be the top dog. i pretty much guarantee you that putin's advisers told him back at the kremlin, look, there is going to be a great meeting because you're going to come out completelying like a rose because if anything compared to our president mr. putin is very slick. so he will play to the world audience. he will play to his home audience. and he will probably try to get sort of a psychological advantage over the other ego in the room. >> josh, do you think there's some white house strategy in putting out this whole there's no agenda for the meeting which i find impossible to believe. >> mr. trump, president trump will say whatever he wants to