exchanges under this plan. and that is clearly the architecture of the bill. that's not, like, voodoo economics. the bill is clear about that. >> well, no, what they're not assuming is that the competitive market will work to drive down premiums and deductibles by bringing more insurers into these markets. >> congressman francis rooney, thanks for making some time tonight. >> thanks for having me on. i'm joined by phillip klein, managing editor of "the washington examiner," julie rogenr, chief correspondent for kaiser health news. julie, i want to start with you, you've been covering health care for a while on the hill, covered several rounds of this. what is your imfregs of where the state of may is right now on this legislation? >> well, on the one hand, i think it's a very uphill battle as we've been hearing. for senator mcconnell to get 50 votes for this bill. we got a couple of firm nos. one more would theoretically sink it. on the other hand, a lot of people should not underestimate senator mcconnell and the other thing he has to work with is almost $200 billion that the senate will would save over and