and i think in september. >> november i've just been told. >> you tell me. >> you wrote it. i read it. both of us can't conjure it. >> no, springfield, illinois and he goes, and it's the first time he sees this scene, 10,000 people in there, transported. and as he tells it the sort of scales fall from his eyes and he realizes he has been living in a bubble and there is real point out there and that his father-in-law is in fact their messenger. >> is he an idiolog? >> no. i -- he was asked after -- he did give one interview right after the campaign to forbes and they asked him what his political affiliation is. and he had just guided a man to the republican nomination and presidency, and his answer was, to be determined. >> and what about his portfolio? you name it, improving veterans services, the opioid crisis,