i'm going to call you in for back up on what we heard from hugh huyis. i predicted that the b word would be used by somebody smart and read their history of ike and kennedy and johnson and nixon. a back channel was used towards a safer world to avoid a nuclear holocaust and a catastrophe. a back channel this is not as alleged. >> no. i think there are two examples. one is the nixon one. the better is robert kennedy and georgy who our friend devin thomas wrote about that laid this out a number of years ago. robert kennedy reporting only to his brother, the president used a soviet cut out to exchange messages outside channels at