a political question. but the interesting thing here is, the underlying crime could actually be as bad or worse. you had them talking to the russians, and we don't know about what. that's going to be testimony interestingly this week, although today the former cia director brennan said there was a pattern of conduct between the campaign and the russians that was concerning. that's disturbing. >> let me ask you this. i guess my question is, is it possible to commit obstruction of justice, to impede an investigation into something that you didn't do? >> that's a very interesting, philosophical, legal question, and i'm not sure -- >> it may arrive at that moment. >> i think we may. but i have a feeling you don't engage in the kind of behavior here, if there isn't an underlying crime. so the question is, exactly what are they concealing and why are they concealing it? what is the connection to flynn that makes the president protect him so much?