overresponding, overreacting to the very thing you said, trying to help a friend out and saying, look, there's no there there. can this go away? >> this friend of his was seeking immunity to testify against him. >> i understand. you asked about how trump is looking at it, and i think that's possibly -- >> anyway, i think the way most people are looking at it, i think there's friendship involved. he doesn't like mcmaster so much. he probably likes flynn. i think he likes him but the fact flynn is holding evidence against him too right now. because that's what he wants when he goes with immunity. you have he's a time bomb, flynn. >> i think the other thing when if comes to trump is you've got to follow the money. >> go ahead with the money. what money? the 34 k that flynn got from speaking for rt over in russia? >> i'm actually going much broader. in terms of talking about trump and his reputation, the thing he's desperate to protect is his reputation as someone who is very rich and successful in