coming in and tell you what to do, they do a real analysis, they're getting millions of dollars to help us understand how to more effectively run our police department, to the point now that my -- we have great police director in new jersey, newark, rather, italian cop who grew up in the department who is raving about having this partnership. people get this wrong and think it's like, police morale versus community relations, public safety, no. they're not mutual exclusive, they're linked to each other. it's liberation end. you can have -- the way to have effective public safety, the way to have a great morale on the police department is to power the police to do their job well. most cops want to be really effective on their job and want to have connections with the community. >> so there is, i think, there is this foreign bipartisan consensus about some of the failures of the war on drug and the approach to crime that produced mass incarceration. you're someone who has been out