yet ideological he's all over the place, he won't touch entitlements, won't touch 65% of the budget. he's going to take a $20 trillion national debt and turn it into a $35 trillion national debt. he's not a conservative, never been a conservative. his foreign policy isn't conservative. he has completely trashed every foreign policy treaty that we've had put in place by republican and democratic administrations post world war ii. this guy is not a conservative. >> exactly. he's a big government disrupter. you see the disruption in foreign policy, not a preserver. he's also very different from the neocon versus real lift debate. for a long time, the deb bet was whether we transform the world. the eting yesterday with the