out of the white house and nunes? >> well, i think the president made an explosive claim, which was that president obama had tapped the wires of trump tower. and it looks as though at least devin nunes, chairman of the house intelligence committee has bungled the objects of this such that he's made it look as though he's trying to come to the defense of the president and provide evidence to bolster the president's claim. it looks as though the evidence that exists is only that routine intelligence collection that would take place in the transition from one president to another is what took place here. we don't know yet if any intelligence collection outside the scope of that that wouldn't have taken place, you know, in the transition of power from any administration from one to another took place yet. and i think that's where the confusion is stemming from.