but they can keep talking about it, talk about the number of coal jobs that there are versus the number of jobs in clean energy. they can say, president trump, you did this, where are the coal jobs. have they materialized. >> they can point out he can't really follow through on the promise to bring back the coal jobs and these actions don't do it. >> you look at whether this will be a wedge issue. do you see about -- not to spoil the rest of the show but coming up about other agenda items the president wants to get through. tax reform and infrastructure where he needs democrats' help. do you see democrats using this as a wedge issue saying give us room on climate change and we'll give you room on infrastructure? >> no. i think democrats calculated that it's not in their interests to play along with trump. they can make it seem like they will but they're not actually going to do that. >> this plays to trump's base. fighting this plays to democrats' base. >> absolutely. >> i know i mentioned we'll be talking more about tax reform and infrastructure in just a