we're not certain again we haven't had been able to read the report. >> reporter: not credible enough? >> look at the numbers. there are eight, nine million people on the exchange currently. i'm not sure how they're going to get to 14 million people uninsured if that's what they say with only 8 million people on the exchange. individuals ill guess thathey sume are medicaid not paying anything in the system who are going to n take the medicaid policy just because the mandate ended or something happened. it just not believable is what we would suggest. and we'll look at the numbers and see. >> mr. secretary, without that mandate to buy coverage, would you not conceive that millions of people will not have insurance under this plan? >> no. i wouldn't concede that at all. >> not saying millions of people -- >> because the fact of the matter is, they're going to be able to buy a coverage policy that they want for themselves and for their family. they're going to have the kind of choices that they want. you think about the numbers that the top line, just the top line on cbo report today.