different from whether or not the policies was earlier? >> it's not. differences are large ly superficial. you take iraq out. >> i don't mean first policy, immigration as it stood before the first executive order, how is this second eo different from the way we handled immigrants. >> largely superficial. extreme vetting happening was happening with the program. inside the administration you asked themhy they targeted refugee program. well, talk to middle eastern countries they don't take refugees, saudi arabia doesn't take refugees. so there was always this fixation on the refugee program as a weak spot in our immigration policy when, in fact, it's one of the most exhausted vettings we have. >> jeremy, you have new reporting how white house wins over conservatives who might be