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americans be covered? the problems with the law are very well documented ali. insurers are pulling out of the marketplaces in many states because they're not making enough money to make it viable for them. premiums on average up 20% this year, in some cases like arizona much more, deductibles up. that said, 20 million more people have insurance than before the law was enacted and the percentage of americans without health insurance has dropped from 16% down to 11%. >> so tom, let's just talk mano e mano. we're business guys, there's math and it's basic. regardless of politics and where you think obamacare should go and whether you like it or not, to have people with preexisting conditions remain on these policies and to have kids remain on their parents' policies, you haveo have that individual mandate. no one's come up with different way of doing this yet. prident obama didn't like the idea initially and he had to

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