mean mayors. former governor o'malley was a mayor of baltimore and mayor landrieu of new orleans as well. i know you have other ones. all right. now, since you like the outreach, tell me what you think about the town halls where the candidates are getting pummeled, at least we show the video where they're getting yelled at. what do you think about them? >> well, look, you got a lot of republican members of congress who have to face a choice, are they going to follow an unpopular and largely unhinged president all the way off the cliff? or are they going to think for themselves and show some independen independence? the best thing we can do now as democrats especially since most of those members of congress aren't on the ballot until next year, is make sure that we are holding them accountable now. but when we're doing it, it's not about obstruction and it's not anger for its own sake. it's very specifically about the issues we care about. >> you say not anger for its own sake, and i always thought one of the problems that democrats had in 2016 was some of the anger that the -- they sort of pushed aside some of the vote