the press shook these candidates upside down for two -- almost two years. what did they find out? did we really get the answers we wanted? >> was it fair? >> i think both campaigns -- you talk to the clinton people, they always feel besieged. when you let candidates decide what's fair, that's wrong. the journalism industry as a whole should sort of assess, was the coverage fair? that's what these panels like the harvard gathering were about. we come together to sort of hash out how was the coverage. i think the consensus was that while there was good coverage in 2016, some great enterprise coverage, e media missed this election. >> let me ask you this. define media. i like -- define media. the journalism of the mainstream media i thought was outstanding this year. the loudest voices, hal, are not mainstream journalism. >> that works when you say it's a report in "the new york times." when you are specific then it