that is not me changing the subject. that's me saying look at what a lack of judgment has wrought in hot spots around ta world like alep aleppo. >> a complicated and dangerous world i think it's almost inarguable that there's at least question if not concern that we've got a president who has no governing experience, no foreign policy experience, no public service experience, that's an unprecedented thing, but obviously he put that case to the american people and the american people elected him. >> that's a big asset to them. president obama had -- he had been in the united states senate for practically a hot minute before he announced he would run for president. he'd been a state senator but people liked that, too. they liked the fact that they had somebody in 2008 and again in 2016 can arguably look them in the eye especially given who their opponents were and say, i will go to washington as your president owing nobody anything. and i will work for you. it was a compelling argument for president obama in 2008, it was