barack obama's breakthrough in 2008, few people remember it when oprah showed up in south carolina, and it was the first huge crowd he had. the first time people said, wait a second. that and when david gefr geffen said -- in this campaign, if oprah winfrey won in 2008, she would have been president eight years. we are a celebrity-based culture. you're exactly right. >> can i say i feel really bad for hillary clinton. she won the popular vote. didn't take the white house eastern though voted in by the popular vote. historic moment we should not forget. that day she fainted and ditched the press and ditched -- where did she go? she went to her daughter the apartment. right? she did what moms do. what moms and daughters do.