this guy was so rough. in those days, they'd smack the hell out of you. it's not like today where you smack somebody and you end up going to jail for the rest of your life. so i went up there, i'll never forget. >> eighth grade? >> and i'm standing there at military academy. this guy comes up and he's like a bulldog too, rough guy. he was a drill sergeant. now they call him major dobias. but when i first knew him he was sergeant dobisa right right army. he was physically rough and mentally rough. he was also my baseball coach. and he said things like stand up, and i went give me a [ bleep ] break. and this guy came at me. you would never believe it. it was really fantastic. >> did he rough you up? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. >> grabbed you by the shirt? >> well, it doesn't matter, but it was not like what happens today. and you had to learn to survive. it was tough. it wasn't today.