years in order to do more than they might be doing and meet the goal. people understand this issue. this is not a question of doing it because it seems nice or politically it's good. it's because it's having a profoundly negative impact on nations. they need to respond and that's perhaps the most compelling reason of all. >> but you say "legally binding." okay, so somebody doesn't comply, again, is it -- what's this law that you're going to hit them with other than international shame? >> there's a mechanism being set up within this structure that will promote compliance and you will have nations within that mechanism working with countries in order to help bring them on board. you don't always need a sledgehamm sledgehammer. if you can provide people with technology or you provide them with technical assistance or you've discovered a new means of