>> yes. >> what we need to do is understand. i also think we have a tendency to think these migration crises, only become crises once they hit western borders. we know the refugee crisis from syria has been under way for about four years at this point. >> right. let alone what's going on in africa because of boko haram and -- >> absolutely. >> affiliated different groups. >> right. >> when you heard some of the rhetoric you heard this week about not allowing refugees in, david, what was on your mind? >> well, it echoes some of the things you referenced earlier. it echoes the japanese interment camps. it echoes this kind of panting with a-qx4 broad brush of demag politicians trying to take advantage of the fear in the american people, grotesquely exaggerate a threat and suppress