41 once campaigning so nard 1980 that he hook the hand of a department store mannequin. so you don't really see that tha department store mannequin. you don't really see that happening here. it is a big complicated family. one thing i think is so striking here, both 41 and 43 ran values campaigns. they both knew how to go negative, not in person, which is what i think is an interesting distinction here. you remember the great -- great reagan debate where bush -- the union leader said 41 looked like the boy that was dropped off at the wrong birthday party. they're much better when they go negative with something like the ad against dole or the ads against dukakis.