run back into my room and shut the door. at what point do universities have to make a judgment call that yes, you might be offended by a person but all the more reason for you to attend to debate that person. why is that getting so drowned out right now? >> well, i think that clearly, especially on idealogical issues, universities, especially those that are liberal and this is me speaking as a liberal, need to do a much better job engaging conservatives, inviting conservatives on campuses. i'm always struck that conservative campuses, evangelical christian campuses, will invite me as a liberal to provoke their students and i think that liberal campuses need to do the same in terms of bringing in social conservatives. >> there is nothing better than having a real full-on debate with someone you disagree with. it's the most fascinating thing to do in college. it's a very valuable part of the four years. we will see what happens with this. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your insight. up next, an msnbc exclusive