insignificant. it's hard to say but what dr. carson said is false. >> speaking of wages, let's check in on what marco rubio said about welders, for example. >> for the life of me i don't know why we've stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> do welders make more or less than philosophers? >> they make less. it's a nice talking point. senator rubio said this when he was trying to call for more vocational training. numbers from the bureau of laj statistics. the average salary for welders $37,000. compared to the average annual salary for a philosophy teacher, about $63,000, before you say this is college professors, pay sc scale looked at the numbers and they say the mid career level for welders, $26,000. the mid career level in 2008 for philosophy degree majors was $81,000. so it's really unfair to say.