vote passed and to put somebody in leadership. even if it couldn't be him himself he could troll people. is there anybody in republican politics who can control people? >> the two names that come to mind, first of all, kevin mccarthy was supposed to be able to. the whole appeal of kevin mccarthy and the reason why the optimistic republican would have said he'd be different than john boehner is all of those sort of house freedom caucus types on the far right on the republican side who didn't like boehner and wanted him out, a lot of them were recruited to congress by kevin mccarthy in 2010. >> they at least owed him that. >> right. and he did what boehner didn't do. over the last five years he met with them constantly. he called them constantly. he cultivated personal relationships. so the thinking was one theory was the next time you come to a debt ceiling showdown or whatever it is and he has to move them toward compromise they would give him the benefit of the doubt they never were going to give john boehner. that was the thinking. >> at least listen to him, at least engage with him. >> they'd think he was acting in good faith in a way they never trusted john boehner to act in good faith because they liked him personally. that was the theory at least. mccarthy, that's completely out the door now. the other one that comes to mind