know, and it could be next year or next month, and we pick right up. he don't want to know nothing about it. he just -- he's not interested in the lifestyle. and i'm not going to say he want to go somewhere and get him a cottage with a white picket fence, but he's not involved in this, you know. but that's in my longest daydreams. >> from our standpoint, these are dangerous guys. we had to take them off the street. we wanted them to go away for the rest of their lives. from the family standpoint, that's still their son or their brother. they love them no matter what they did. i think sometimes it's not only tragic, but sometimes it's a relief for them, because they know what they're doing. their son or their brother, whoever it might be, they know they're in rockford dealing dope.