debates. that's the number of candidates. >> that's true. that's one of the issues. also this ongoing multiple debates. reince priebus has tried to cut that down. romney got hung out to drive because he was hng out there for four months trying to outwrite rick santorum. you can't come back that far. here's the problem. the problem is not the number of six debaits. that's paid for by the television studios. they'll do that. the problem is the so-called exclusivity rule. that they should get rid of. there's a rule of the dnc which is different than what we had which is if you participate in another debate, then you can't participate in these six debates. that's a mistake. it's a good thing to limit the debates, but there will be 15 debates one way or another. when several interest groups in nevada or south carolina or new hampshire or iowa ask you to come to their debate three weeks before their primary, you're going to go. it's a very contorted complex