and i think that jeb bush, it's one thing to be perceived as a moderate. you cannot be perceived as a moderate and a weakling. the other thing i'll say real quick, i think there's one thing to keep an eye on tonight that's really important, and that is that cnn is going to discourage people from cheering or applauding. and that is a very, very big difference from the fox news debate. if donald trump says something that's a zinger and it doesn't get an applause, it falls flat. >> that's a very good point. and actually, you answered a question i've had in my head all day, wondering whether there would be audience participation. beth, i'm going to give you the last question. and that is chris christie, this is a guy, as i've said before, everyone thought was going to be the republican front-runner. he was the tell it like it is candidate. can he survive this debate without landing some kind of punch against donald trump or distinguishing himself from the