aren't happy with anybody. even president obama has just a plus one favorable rating in our nbc/"wall street journal" poll. and so you can kind of see almost that as we're heading into 2016 this isn't the kind of hope and change election. this will be a grind it out contest where the winner will be the lesser of two evils for a lot of americans. >> but is it -- and i get that you're pointing out that it's trouble for everyone across the board even with donald trump and all the headlines. but if you're hillary clinton and jeb bush you have a my name recognition, she being one of the most popular politicians in the world, he has the last name bush and successful record for the most part as governor and you're the dynasty candidates. >> well, so what was notable about hillary clinton's numbers were that there was a they go difference swing of 15 points in her polling where she went from a plus four 44 positive 40 negative last month to now she's at 37% negative -- or 37%