their families were afraid of them. they probably would have killed joyce. the citizens were behind law enforcement. you know -- >> they're depraved. >> and hollywood -- you know, listen. there's great script writers in hollywood, and they could write some great mysteries and movies and prison movies. they don't need these guys, really. they don't need these guys to write those plots. >> right. >> they're free to pay attention to the news, but they certainly can write a plot that's even more intriguing, and we go to the movies all the time and watch those. so i'm not so sure all the hollywood writers are that enamored with it, you know. really they're just a couple of losers, and they were able to stay out there just because they had a bunch of rain they could drink, a bunch of candy and some provisions from some mountain cabins that they broke in and stumbled upon, some peanut butter and stuff. i don't think it's -- when you really analyze it, it's not steve mcqueen and "the great escape." it really isn't. >> and they weren't robbing banks. they were killing people,