as for libya, we were all wrong on libya. . here was a situation in libya, in iraq what you had was -- and you're right. it wasn't about intelligence. this was dick cheney making stuff up in defense of his world view that america had to bring order to the world. i was disappointed in some of the democrats. but it if you look at who voted for it, take john kerry who made his career as an anti-war crusader, who voted against george h.w. bush's intervention into kuwait which retrospectively looks reasonable. he voted for the war in iraq. hillary clinton and joe biden. the reason it's simple in my judgment and it's not a predictor how it will go in the future. by the '80s and '90s there was a view among all kinds of political experts that for a democratic liberal to get elected president he or she had to show toughness on the military field.