field. i think that's a totally separate discussion. >> that's the question of hero worship and what we do in society these days right, dean? >> let me say first of all, full disclosure, i'm a giant fan. i'm a diehard giant fan. >> you do need to disclose that. >> i agree. i think it's unfair. i think he should be banned for life. i think the patriots should be broken up as a team. i think they should ban the cowboys, too. >> just take them all out. >> tom brady, his legacy honestly is going to be attached to this forever. and the patriots. i think their victories we're going to look back because of spy gate in 2006 -- >> this is not good for the patriots generally. >> i think people are going to talk about this for years and years. the last time the patriots won was ten years ago. talk about culture to need to win. we talk about chris christie and the culture of bridge-gate. there's a culture we have to win at all costs. >> it is undermined by the fact that you did say you were a giants fan. >> the giants beat them twice in