largely because she started talking about it in public saying she didn't want her children to watch shows where there weren't more diverse casts. and i think it really benefitted abc and will continue to benefit going forward because it changed their thinking a little bit. still, have i to get back to the idea like all the people who are making those decisions at those net works are white. >> ty? >> that is this new general market. the thing that hasn't changed is this. we've seen this rise and growth in this new general market and -- but yet what we haven't seen is the leadership and the people who make those decisions. >> totally. >> that hasn't changed. >> you saw that in the hacked sony e-mails, saw is that when chris rock was doing his movies. he was like i stick out. i walk into these rooms -- >> we should be careful about this. i'm happy to see a lot of my friends getology tv and making names for themselves but we should be very cognizant that this could be one of those ups. until the leadership changes, that's what substantive change