they see this question which you always have to raise is proportionality and look at the ledger. we have 192 people dead. a ratio of civilian to militant of about 5:1 killed, more than 1100 injured. israel has a right of self-defense but they don't have a right to engage in such large disproportional killings of civilians. >> others say israel went and found the israelis who killed the palestinians in the revenge killing. we didn't see that kind of effort by hamas trying to find the palestinians. i think that should matter. >> i think that's a fair criticism and one of the questions when you look at this broad question of the dysfunction of a people that feel like they are occupied and sort of being colonized, it's the doctrine of humiliation on the palestinian side. how do you get out of that? we have been trying. every time you see u.s.-led