phoenix. sally, thank you for joining me. this is certainly a hot topic and very emotional one. can you explain what happened to your father-in-law? >> he didn't feel good on september 28th. he was -- i rewent and got a gallon container and let him pass urine in that and there was blood. so i said, pop, it's time to go to the hospital. i was going to take him to bana but he didn't wanna. he's a true veteran. i believe in the va. we ran him down there and signed him in. there was a long wait. so in the long wait, he was filling up little by little, the blood, pure blood. and that's factual. and it was easier to explain having the blood. so i'm thinking, all right, they're going to help him. >> right, they'll see us in emergency. you say you took him in september. he passed november, right? >> yes, november 30th --