around him? >> oh, he loves it. >> in terms of just a guy casual exchange conversation, what is that? >> if you get into a serious conversation about an issue that he cares about, absolutely he can be quite serious. he loves to play cards. >> hearts, old hearts? >> oh, yeah. >> i think somewhere along the way he must have taken a bill that says, i don't go to bed until there's no one left to talk to. >> kevin spacey playing the role of bill clinton monday on "late show." former president will be campaigning this week and for the 2014 senate race in kentucky. rob, a point perry was making the last block about the republicans clearly, yes, want to make 2014 all about obama. they want to make it all about obama care. they want to sort of re-create 2010 the best they can and you look at these where control of the senate will be decided, looking at red states, georgia,