>> absolutely. >> and one of the things i have respected is that all of these marches and rallies have been totally nonviolent. >> and that's -- >> you know have i some very hard feelings about a lot of the language and self-hate that is expressed. but that should not be used an an excuse to kill people and walk away. >> no. and that's one of the things we want to put across to our young men. that, you know, you are not to react because that just gives them more fodder to talk about. you do not need to be angry to the point of thinking you have to protect yourself like that. while that is a fear, that is something as pastors that we want to make sure we come against, that we begin now to put together, my dear friend dr. john gunns has a wonderful platform save our sons. we're going to use that form will here in the city to talk