essentially, the trouble with bridgegate is is not just the mayor of ft. lee, but it's that the port authority was being used in a way that served governor christie perhaps more than it served to do what it's supposed to do, which is increase port activity in new york and new jersey. >> in terms of those political incentives might have led to this decision to not do the tunnel, if it was about getting chris christie's hands, new jersey's hands on that money, it really feels in a layman's sense, it feels wrong to take the tunnel money and apply it to something that's totally unrelated. is it illegal? is there a question of whether using those funds were illegal? >> i haven't heard anybody say it was a crime, but what is concerning to watchdogs is that this is not the way this money is supposed to be used. it's supposed to be used for the region. and that there's a concern that this agency became very politicized to benefit chris christie and new jersey in a way that it hadn't been prior to this. and that's -- we're talking