he said, look, i'm innocent. that was part that have same investigation, that operation. so now you have to question, well, how flawed was this whole attack on the political establishment, this perceived corrupt political establishment? and what haden says to me is, brian, you are now starting to look at -- if you go back to that, if you go back to everything, hunterdon county, from sandy money, from what happened at the bridge, from some of these other things coming out and you have to think is there some overarching conspiracy involved within the christie administration to play politics in a nefarious sense. we all know there's politics played. but in a very nefarious sense with the body politic of new jersey. >> and to pick up on that point, it really does go to the core -- when you look at something like hunterdon, when you look at the