destroying their lives. i don't want a person that has had a pre-existing condition not to be able to get it. i'm willing to work through this and i've put some things on the table and i would hope constructively the white house will look at that. and i've said, listen, you had a rollout problem. that's fine. we all have those problems. it should be a transitional year. you can't just keep putting it off. i said just don't put a crime or a fine to the bill this rear. let's work through it, get the products right. there is a lot we can do if we're working from a positive position. >> is the president disconnected from the senate and from the house? >> everybody has a different style. >> is the president disconne disconnected? come organization brothn, broth. >> i don't have that much -- if you're asking me -- >> when is the last time you met with him at the white house? >> the student loan bill. the one time i met -- >> you met with him one time time? but calls you -- how many times do you talk to him on the phone?