before that david gefen interview with the "new york times" that ever suggested hillary clinton wasn't going to walk away with it? >> she was the heavy favorite. chris dodd ran. joe biden ran. john richardson work. john edwards. >> i'm just saying. sit a -- >> there's no one else with the exception of joe biden that i don't think will run if she runs. there's no one else who will feel like if i don't run this time, this is my turn. her breadth of support from every constituency in the democratic party. african-americans, hispanics. >> she has an infrastructure in place. >> like 2006, what happens in iowa after populist elizabeth warren goes out and beats her in iowa? >> i think the question is whether anybody will decide to challenge her. i don't think elizabeth warren is nuts. if you looked at, for the reasons mark just said hillary clinton's support among those constituencies, it is not 2006. >> like barack obama was nuts? >> it's not 2006, joe.